Compare it with the damage photograph below. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection Claim: Titanic's lifeboats had small brass I.D plaques screwed on them and they all said "RMS Olympic". Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. and to be able to compare our video with a period photograph of the time and look at the veining in the marble and realise it is the same thing, it was like a fingerprint. In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. 24. - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck 23. Claim: The Californian had a cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets, as if they were ready for a rescue mission. is unfair and disingenuous at best. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. If a 'switch' was true, why would you need to create a 'meme' that is demonstrably false, by switching an 'actual' image of Titanic with the Olympic? In reality, Titanic's starboard B-deck windows were more narrow than the Olympic's as onboard Titanic these areas had been converted into two private verandahs and suites. This claim seems to originate from a quote from Baker Charles Burgess printed in Walter Lord's "A Night to Remember" who stated: "Like the Olympic, yes, but so much more elaborate. ships the crows nest bell seldom has any writing on it.". Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look Any discolouration could be explained as due to lighting conditions and/or photographic imperfections. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. exploded and caused the fatal damage. Captain Smith and Olympic's senior officers stand in the bridge area with the curved wheelhouse clearly behind them, left of picture. But this is not due to it being the Olympic. https://www.britannica.com/biography/James-Fenton, The Poetry Archive - Biography of James Fenton, Poetry Foundation - Biography of James Fenton. of the surviving crew. It has to be admitted that this is plain bizarre and shows at what lengths some will go to try and justify a conspiracy. ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. You do not need to be an expert to see that it certainly does not. Names riveted on, not welded "It was a somewhat quiet affair.". instead of a promenade as on Olympic's B deck, two private verandahs and suites were added to Titanic, hence necessitating a change in the B deck window configurations. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. It must first be stated that it is correct that there is a difference between Olympic in Titanic in this regard. And also the Olympic was 500 miles away and would have been a much better solution if such a rescue was necessary. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. But unsurprisingly in 2019 a new 'meme' appeared on the internet claiming to show evidence from the wreck site that repair work done to Olympic caused by the Hawke collision can be seen in wreck photographs, captioned with "YOU NEED PROOF? This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). He has worked as political journalist, drama critic, book reviewer, war correspondent, foreign correspondent and columnist. There is nothing here on which to base a 'switch' theory. So does the post-disaster image of Olympic show the "doubler" overlapping or not? Even if the insurance would not pay out the $750,000, IMM It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. 47. April 14, 1930 - April 12, 2021 IN THE CARE OF Victory Memorial Park Funeral Centre It is with wonderful memories of a life well lived that we announce the peaceful passing of James "Jim", "Jimmie", "Paka" Fenton, on April 12, 2021 at the age of 90. In 1910, IMMs net profit was a mighty $4,849,580, 33. Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. 17. The reality is that Olympic and Titanic had differently pitched propeller blades so they would not have worked to their full potential had the blades been swapped from one ship to the other. Updates? On Olympic the fireplace was at the outer wall between two windows. Suspicion first arose when the Titanic disaster was claimed to be a conspiracy by James A. Fenton, otherwise known as "Paddy the Pig." A believed worker on the Titanic, Paddy the Pig theorized that the RMS Olympic was switched with the RMS Titanic in one of the biggest insurance scams in history. Titanic's lifeboats had "RMS Olympic" written on them All the Wrong Places: Adrift in the Politics of the Pacific Rim (1988) was an account of his journalistic experiences. Olympic officers on the bridge It came from a mold and so there should be no surprise they are exactly the same, that is what you expect from faux marble. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above, 31. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. of the surviving crew. 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Quite simply Titanic was underinsured, the main reason being that the White Star Line actually insured its own ships. This has already been discussed here. Alleged footage of Olympic's name on the wreck - it is obviously fake. Due to the lack of media coverage Photographs taken of Titanic leaving Southampton also reveal a slight port list. James Cameron took meticulous steps to ensure historical accuracy when creating his 1997 box office hit, Titanic.Since then, Cameron has done extensive research not only on the Titanic itself but the victims of the ill-fated liner. 30. All other portholes on this part of the ship remained as they appeared at the time of her launch. It is, however, agreed that crew returning to England were under instructions to give evidence at the Board of Trade Inquiry and not to talk to the media beforehand. And the answer is the same. 15 $18.4 17.55 Silver Cricket Fob Recess Antiques 85.00 $104.27 99.42 Silver & M,O,P Fruit Knife.Sheff.1910 By J.Fenton. Lack of publicity for Titanic Linoleum flooring covered with carpets Claim: The surviving crew were detained overnight and forced to sign a pledge under the 'Official Secrets Act', promising to keep secret forever, the actual events of the night of 14th / 15th April, 1912. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. B-deck window spacing on the wreck 22. Cross-checking with Encyclopedia Titanica website, which has extensive passenger and crew lists, the number of crew aboard the Carpathia exceeded 300 (it lists 307, but it is not necessarily a complete list). So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. As if somehow to counteract this fact, it has then been alleged that 'Titanic's insurance was increased by J. P. Morgan from $5 million to $12.5 million 5 days before her fateful journey'. This claim is often mentioned alongside the above claim about the apparent discrepancy in the number of portholes on Titanic's port side bow. The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). His father, a hotel proprietor and licensed victualler, was also born in Portsmouth whilst his mother was a native of Alfriston, Sussex. Hence post-Titanic-sinking images of Olympic also have this 16 porthole configuration. 12 was lowered a French man jumped in from B Deck. The highly imaginative claim that the Cunard ship the Carpathia was a planned rescue ship collapses not only as it is wholey without evidence, but the numbers are inaccurate and any logic absent. 3. He continues that on the starboard side Steward Wheelton met Thomas Andrews on B Deck and that the boats were visible from the corridor on B Deck. 19344. answer was to grind the names off the bells. Birma (70 miles) Russian East Asiatic Company Eastbound, New York-Rotterdam-Libau Some have analysed the footage concluding for example that the X-shaped viewing field seen in the video is caused by the camera rig's lighting. were being made to further increase the ships speed. Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? - Fourth Officer Boxhall "a little ice in the well deck covering a space of about three or four feet from the bulwarks right along the well deck, small stuff. (British Enquiry,Day 13) He was awarded the Queens Gold Medal for Poetry in 2007 and won the PEN Pinter Prize in 2015. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. Those travelling east bound logically did not depart from England, and so were relatively unaffected by the coal strike. As it was named the "Olympic Class" it would hence not be unusual to feature the first ship in any advertising. Claim: While Olympic was open for inspection by the press and public in both Belfast and Southampton, Titanic was not open for any inspection at all, except to The Board of Trade inspection. Only a limited number of changes required for a switch The actual triangular hole in the Olympic is much further aft than the location of the so-called 'patchwork' on the wreck. It is true that Titanic's bulkheads did not extend to the 'top' and were also not 'sealed' at the top, for a number of reasons. A man named James A. Fenton who was a construction worker for the construction of the Titanic said they were switched. Incidentally, although called 'Old Reliable' her 24 years 1,496 people are believed to have died when the Titanic went down. of her 24 double-ended boilers connected up." The longer they were at sea, the more money it cost. Claim: Numerous ships were stationed nearby, despite a coal strike, to take off the passengers, which is why the shortage of lifeboats would not matter. An example of the many adverts that show the Olympic instead of Titanic - logical considering one was the older sister. Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." Local "runners". Firstly Titanic was not a "steel double-hulled vessel". keeping quiet all those years had taken a great toll on his health and the sanity At the time there was also a coal strike, issues with Olympic being repaired, and Titanic was not at full passenger capacity. and would never get a job when they got out. Firstly, how would White Star believe they could pull something like this off when no doubt hundreds of crew would see water pouring into the ship through the seacocks? Did J. P. Morgan and J. Courtesy Steve Hall. Also, as discussed in point number 16 above, there was less interest in Titanic's maiden voyage, as her older sister had proceeded her. However, James is a public writer - engag, as he probably doesn't like to say - and it is his poems about war, dictatorship and exile that have won him the PEN/Pinter award. According to Steve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book "Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank?" (for more information see here). It is the Olympic, not Titanic. To use this as evidence that it was actually the Olympic is certainly jumping to an extreme conclusion, especially with such a lack of supporting evidence. Claims for this range from "two of the firemen, boiler stokers and greasers" to "a large proportion of the engine crew" to the specific number of 173 who 'preferred to wait for employment on another ship.' If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. The wreck clearly has a flat wheelhouse and hence it must be Titanic. It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. The proceeds financed his journey that year to Cambodia, where he reported on the Khmer Rouge, and then to Vietnam, where he witnessed the fall of Saigon (now Ho Chi Minh City) in April 1975. 11. If indeed Titanic had been insured at the last minute at "$12.5 million," as is alleged by conspiracy theorists, would this not have raised serious alarm bells in the minds of the insurers at the time, especially if it was part of the public record that the value was "$7.5million"? Of course there is no testimony from Ballard himself, or from any of the other expeditions who would clearly have also seen this. Paddy said that the guilt of Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the. Difference in Titanic's name plate Claim: As welding had not yet been invented, it was customary for White Star Line to etch or cut the names of their liners into the steel and not rivet them to the outside. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved Titanic being towed out to her sea trials. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Ship's Bell with no name on it And they were not the only ones. Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. Parisian (50 miles) Allan Line, Liverpool, England, Westbound, Glasgow - Halifax - Boston The only picture in the entire production to which Mr Newton had any rights at all was one late in the film supposedly showing where the name on the wreck had been altered. This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. This is the wreck montage here: PHOTOGRAPH 2012 RMS TITANIC, INC. Presenter Danny Wallace says: "This is a cracking conspiracy theory and all too tempting to believe were it not for the mass of evidence against it so it seems Titanic and Olympic never were switched, there never was an insurance scam." 401: Titanic's propeller is on Olympic CourtesySteve Hall and Bruce Beveridge's book Titanic or Olympic, Which Ship Sank? Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. A statement supported by the attraction of more than 4,000 jobs and $1.4 B in Cap Ex. In 1967 he enrolled at Magdalen College, Oxford, initially intending to study English but later switching to psychology, philosophy, and physiology. No, and for one very simple reason: it is a faux marble fireplace. The Abyss un film del 1989 scritto e diretto da James Cameron, e interpretato da Ed Harris, Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio e Michael Biehn.. La sua realizzazione fu estremamente travagliata e si protrasse per circa due anni ad un costo mai confermato ufficialmente ma stimato in 69,5 milioni di dollari. 41. So that makes it 3 vessels in the area. It is a wild claim based purely on imagination. Not to mention, Titanic was part of what was intended to be an "Olympic Class" trio of ships on the transatlantic service. There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. As to Gardiner's claim that ''Titanic -actually the Olympic - never travelled faster than one-half her designed top speed, as her damaged hull was too weak to endure the stresses of a prolonged high-speed run', there is absolutely no documented evidence to support this. Does it reveal evidence of suspicious or unusual damage? Firstly, they had been postponed for a day due to bad weather. THIS IS PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE AND IT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. Since finishing touches were still being put to the ships accommodation, its hardly surprising that the public was not allowed onboard at Southampton. Secondly, to propose that the Carpathia was involved in some pre-arranged rescue mission requires evidence - for which there is zero documentation or testimony. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Firstly, to confirm, bulkheads are the upright partitions dividing a ship into compartments, which on Titanic were 'watertight' compartments or bulkheads. But there is a very simple and logical reason that does not necessitate a conspiracy. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted There are two keys errors in this hypothesis. 18. First and foremost is that the Californian would be a ridiculous choice as a rescue vessel. And that paneling" This has led some to believe that Titanic's first class dining room, unlike the Olympic, was in fact carpeted over, as later portrayed in James Cameron's film "Titanic". Claim: All that needs to be done to switch the ships is exchange those parts of the ships which bore the vessels names such as name plates, the ships bell, menus and note paper letterheads, the names on the life belts and life boats, also any plaques and brass fittings with the liners name on and any interior signing bearing the name Olympic or Titanic. This was because Olympic's patched-up hull could not take any long periods of high speed. Titanic's split as portrayed in James Cameron's 1997 "Titanic" film. In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! 28. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. Olympic was the first to be launched, pronounced the largest and most luxuriest ship in the world. This is completely false. Difference in port side joint plating, 20. old ordinary seaman aboard Titanic. The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned This is where it landed, just on that forewell deck. Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. Olympic had an "overlap of the plates, or strakes" forward of the bow anchors (described as "the doubler forward at the bower anchors"), while Titanic was different in that "the strake butted up against the doubler and did not overlap it.". 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