Jill Havern, forum owner -----The views of the Madeleine McCann Research Group, August 2016 What shall we all do after we raise the alarm? This was meaningless. We do not believe there is enough evidence to define one way or the other. No satisfactory explanation for this has ever been provided. The photograph of Madeleine McCann, Dr Gerry McCann and Amelie, taken by the Ocean Club pool, which was clearly taken on Sunday 29 April 2007 and not on 3 May 2007 as claimed by the McCanns. Thats 24 times as much time to think, plan and carry out a hoax abduction. Perhaps even more significantly, he said that there were seven children being cared for that way each night. BERLIN Madeleine McCann, the British girl who disappeared in Portugal in 2007 aged just three, is dead, Germany's prosecutor said on Thursday after . But it later emerged that the Director and his deputy from a Bell Pottinger. Kate The damage done to the shutters by Gerry McCann on the Sunday or Monday morning. dogs has alerted to rotting meat, not the odour of a corpse, The But those who claim that Madeleine died after 6pm have to explain how the McCanns were able to pull off an audacious abduction within the four hours between 6pm and 10pm (when the alarm was raised) on Thursday 3 May. His conduct whilst a translator in those early days after Madeleine was reported missing was bizarre and suspicious. Mrs Fenns statement was trailed in advance in the British press in articles which showed every sign of being planted by the McCann Teams PR agent, Clarence Mitchell. By now, if she had really died, someone would have broken ranks and revealed the truth. Madeleines 4th Birthday Just 9 days after her parents reported her disappearance and claimed that she had been abducted by a paedophile gang. To sum up, there is no photographic evidence that Madeleine was alive after Sunday lunchtime (apart from the Make-Up photo - see below). Officials say new charges relate to offences allegedly committed in Portugal between 28 December 2000 and 11 June 2017 . German authorities believe they have evidence that Madeleine McCann is dead. Here, quite apart from the matters dealt with above, are several other specific indications that an abduction hoax was indeed planned over a four-day period: The presence of the Director (and his deputy) of a Bell Pottinger subsidiary company - the PR company, Resonate - in Praia da Luz during the days before the alarm was raised. We have given, above, some general considerations as to when Madeleine may have died. But they all kept silent. All of these, we say, are wholly consistent with something very serious having happened to Madeleine McCann on the Sunday. Do we know for sure that Madeleine was with her family in her apartment at 6pm? Catriona Baker also had a holiday at the McCanns home a few months after Madeleine was reported missing, suggesting a close relationship between them.. All of these, we say, are wholly consistent with something very serious having happened to Madeleine McCann on the Sunday. There is evidence that the British Embassy in Portugal arranged for Murat to become the main translator for the Portuguese police in the days following Madeleine being reported missing. What was it that galvanised them all into sending reporters there so soon? (v) Have we got anything we can carry her body out in, without anybody thinking there might be a body in it? If Madeleine McCann's pyjamas were not in fact abducted, then nor was Madeleine McCann." Gerry McCann calls for example to be made of 'vile' internet trolls Brenda Leyland was doorstepped on 2 October 2014 by Sky reporter Martin Brunt who accused her of 'attacking' the McCanns. Updated. MADELEINE McCann detectives insisted they have "strong evidence" she is dead after uncovering a trove of pictures and videos allegedly buried by suspect Christian B. German prosecutor H It appeared in a short film made by Madeleines godfather, film-maker Jon Corner. Later, Robert Murat claimed that Mrs Fenn had phoned, Madeleine McCann Research Group, August 2016, http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/f57-mccann-case-the-most-important-areas-of-research, http://goncaloamaraltruthofthelie.blogspot.co.uk, http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t12362-new-film-by-richard-d-hall-when-madeleine-died. These have been fully analysed on CMOMM over the past few years. The problem with the Tennis Balls Photo. No-one else was reported to have ever died in that apartment. (vi) What can we say to the staff, to our other friends weve met on holiday? Evidence that a group planned in advance how to create a major news story on the morning of Friday 4 May. Not only was Dr Payne not independent, being a very close friend of the McCanns, but there were 20 or more significant contradictions between the accounts of Dr Payne and Kate McCann about what took place at that meeting, how long it lasted etc. It showed Madeleine in make-up. Is that when Jane Tanner was briefed to give a description of Krokowski when she was questioned by the Portuguese police? towel, pillow, bedding, hairbrush and toothbrush. All of them back to their apartments and showering or washing and getting changed for dinner? From this, the police were able to trace the man who was driving the car. . "We assume that the girl is dead," Braunschweig state prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters said. April 23, 2022 12:58pm. Evidence that an abduction hoax was planned over a period of four days. There was evidence that the photo was not taken in England as claimed, but in Portugal. They then said that the samples could have been from Madeleine but also that this could not be stated with any certainty. Here are our main reasons: The Last Photo shows Gerry McCann, Madeleine and her sister Amelie by the Ocean Club swimming pool. . On at least one occasion, Rebelo suggested that he had firm evidence that the McCanns and their friends had. If that analysis is correct, this shows evidence of cunning planning and deception, amounting to perverting the course of justice. No-one else was reported to have ever died in that apartment. Here are the relevant considerations we have in mind regarding Murats involvement: 1. The abduction hoax ready scripted and ready to carry out? Its Head of Risk, Alex Woolfall flew there the very next day (4 May) and he was later joined by another top Director of the company. Coffs coast. It was very early - Madeleine might very well have been found alive and well later that Friday - but on that very day, many media editors immediately despatched reporters to Praia da Luz. Michael led the team of investigators which in 2007 located the boat on which Madeleine was being held and who were denied permission to launch a rescue bid, to their intense frustration. This was meaningless. All kinds of dangers could have befallen the children while the parents were absent It is our view that the booking of the Tapas restaurant may well have been connected in some way with Madeleine already being dead or having suffered a fatal injury. We finally decide to question her (Kate McCann) as a witness, but not to pose questions on the events after 5.30pm, the time at which she returned to the apartment with her three children. Lourenco had evidently planned to call the police and already knew of the description that Jane Tanner had given to the police. If Madeleine died after 6pm on 3 May, what would the McCanns have had to do? ontradictory stories about which of them read the children a story on the Thursday evening. 3 min read. spatters on the walls could have been caused by mosquitoes crashing We will refer to the theory that Madeleine died from an accident (or worse). If we stop and pause for a moment to consider the above list, it is truly hard to conceive how they could possibly have made all these decisions, and carried them out, whilst all sitting down together for dinner in a public place at about 8.30pm until 10pm as if nothing had happened. However, we are persuaded, largely by evidence on the two 'Last Photo' threads on CMOMM, that the Last Photo was taken at lunchtime on Sunday 29 April. The McCanns seemed to know influential people in the TV media and were successful in contacting them in the early hours of the morning and getting headline news about Madeleines disappearance onto the early Friday morning bulletins. After Madeleine was reported missing, the McCanns were able to claim that they had been eating at the Tapas restaurant each night, but were checking their children every half-hour. 29 Jul 2020. It was a wild goose chase. So, if she had died, say shortly after 6pm, as suggested by both Goncalo Amaral and Tavares de Almeida, what would the McCanns have had to do first? Then, again assuming that they had all agreed to a plan of action, there would be loads more questions about (a) the apartment and (b) how to execute the hoax. A judge refused to hear the dog handlers evidence, saying that sniffer dogs evidence was too unreliable. Quite why the British Embassy would promote Murat to do this job is uncertain, unless he had a significant prior connection with the Embassy, and was co-operating with them in some way. By Reuters. "All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice," her parents, Kate and Gerry, said in a statement issued before the German prosecutor spoke. 3. It includes such things as: A huge number of contradictory statements by the McCanns, their friends (David and Fiona Payne and Fionas mother Dianne Webster, Russell OBrien and Jane Tanner, and Matthew and Rachael Oldfield), and others closely associated with them. This booking appears to have been made on the Sunday night. Madeleine McCann disappeared 15 years ago when she was 3-years-old when . The lack of any credible, independent evidence by anybody that Madeleine McCann was seen alive after Sunday 29th April. (v) Would we be investigated by the police? AA. Her mother came to fetch her at 12.25 for lunch and took her back at 2 o'clock. The McCanns seemed to know influential people in the TV media and were successful in contacting them in the early hours of the morning and getting headline news about Madeleines disappearance onto the early Friday morning bulletins. In such a scenario, how likely is it that all six friends would have agreed within, say, 5-10 minutes that they would all play their roles in a fake abduction? Madeleine McCann was three years old when she went missing in 2007. Lourenco supplied the police with a photograph he said he had taken of the mans car. The McCanns refusing to give their holiday photos to the police. Was there a meeting of some kind there that week? When they were told that the smell of death and blood had been found in their apartment and hire car, they hurriedly came up with a series of improbable explanations for this: Blood spatters on the walls could have been caused by mosquitoes crashing into the wall, Madeleine has grazed her knee climbing up the steps to the aeroplane, The dogs has alerted to rotting meat, not the odour of a corpse, The dogs had alerted to dirty nappies, not the odour of a corpse, Kate McCann had certified six deaths in the two weeks before going on holiday, thats why the smell of death was on her clothes. On Monday 30 April, he was hastily summoned to Portugal, allegedly by his girlfriend, but possibly by others - Murats account of the phone call or calls that led him to take a hasty flight to Portugal is not convincing, 5. The McCanns say the photo was taken at 2.29pm on Thursday 3 May. On at least one occasion, Rebelo suggested that he had firm evidence that the McCanns and their friends had not been leaving their children and checking on them regularly each night as claimed, but that, instead their children were all being cared for in one of the friends apartments each night. Later, when re-interviewed by the Portuguese police on 10 and 11 July, after police had interrogated his mobile phone, and discovered that the account he had earlier given of his movements was false, he completely changed his story, claiming he had been too tired on 15 May to tell the truth. Rightly, Dr Roberts queries what was the point of the McCanns taking these photographs? Photo Illustration by Luis G. Rendon/The Daily Beast/Carabinieri MIlano/FindMadeline.comJust a few days shy of what would be Madeleine McCann's 19th birthday, a break in the case points to everyone's worst fears: that the young Briton was abducted, sold and killed by a pedophile sex ring that worked in and around the Portuguese resort town where she disappeared 15 years ago.Thousands of . It was a tragic accident in the apartment that night.'. It was the strong conviction of Dr Goncalo Amaral and his team of investigators that, based largely on the evidence of Catriona Baker, Madeleine was alive and present at a high tea at the Tapas restaurant on 3 May 2007. The death may have occurred as a result of a tragic accident. (viii) What time shall we get her to say she saw someone? A preliminary point to raise is: were the twins present when, according to the PJ theory, Madeleine died? They has eaten in the Millennium Restaurant on the Saturday evening. He queries, as many others have done, why anyone would need to wash a minor tea stain off a pair of pyjamas just two days before the McCanns were due to return home, and then photograph them. Maybe they would have had other related questions. It appeared in a short film made by Madeleines godfather, film-maker Jon Corner. She claimed in her statement that the crying she heard was that of a child more than two - but no-one can distinguish between the cry of a two-year-old (the McCanns twins) and three-year-old (Madeleine). (iv) In a derelict house in Praia da Luz? If Madeleine died after 6pm on 3 May, what would the McCanns have had to do? The Last Photo shows Gerry McCann, Madeleine and her sister Amelie by the Ocean Club swimming pool. There would have been a severe emotional reaction and initial panic, and maybe a series of irrational responses, before they could properly gather their thoughts and begin to come to terms with the shock of losing their daughter and start planning how to cover it up. There is, further, evidence that Catriona Baker was already known to the McCanns. The McCanns say the photo was taken at 2.29pm on Thursday 3 May. If we stop and pause for a moment to consider the above list, it is truly hard to conceive how they could possibly have made all these decisions, and carried them out, whilst all sitting down together for dinner in a public place at about 8.30pm until 10pm as if nothing had happened. 24 April. (as indeed they did so claim). In addition to all these considerations, for Martin Grimes cadaver dogs to have alerted to the scent of a corpse, no longer present, some three months after the McCanns had vacated their holiday apartment, Madeleines body must have been lying in the McCanns apartment for at least 90 minutes, probably two hours or longer. The McCanns say the photo was taken at 2.29pm on Thursday 3 May. Then we come to them all sitting down for dinner at 8.30pm to 8.45pm. Dr Roberts article carefully analyses a series of photos of Madeleines pyjamas, and of other similar pyjamas, published after she was reported missing. AS far as we know, they knew no-one in the area who could help them. Her mother came to fetch her at 12.25 for lunch and took her back at 2 o'clock. This points us in the direction of Madeleine having come to serious harm shortly after that photo was taken. Is that when Jane Tanner was briefed to give a description of Krokowski when she was questioned by the Portuguese police? There is agreement from the McCanns, their friends, other holidaymakers and Ocean Club staff that they were all settled at their table at around 8.30pm to 8.45pm. Eileen McCann, Madeleine's paternal grandma, died from coronavirus weeks before police publicly announced a new suspect in the little girl's 2007 Algarve disappearance. However, we are persuaded, largely by evidence on the two 'Last Photo' threads on CMOMM, that the Last Photo was taken at lunchtime on Sunday 29 April. Her parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were considered . (i) They could say that Madeleine must have wandered off somewhere, (ii) They could say that they took her down to the beach and she got swept out to sea, (iii) Or could we get away with faking an abduction. He queries, as many others have done, why anyone would need to wash a minor tea stain off a pair of pyjamas just two days before the McCanns were due to return home, 5. We cannot say. Later, Robert Murat claimed that Mrs Fenn had phoned him, not Mrs Glyn, about the alleged crying. The 'Last Photo' shows Gerry McCann, Madeleine and her sister Amelie by the Ocean Club swimming pool. Loading Just three years old at the time, Maddie disappeared from her parent's apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on 3 May . Keeping the shutters, windows and curtains in the childrens bedroom shut all week, allegedly to keep the heat out even though the room was not used during the day and was actually chilly at night-time. Besides that, the times shown for Madeleine being in the creche do not even agree with what Kate McCann says in her own book about the events of that week. The McCanns using different doors when entering and leaving their apartment. Just months after this, Eugene Zapata made a full confession which proved that the cadaver dogs evidence had been 100% correct. After Madeleine was reported missing, the McCanns were able to claim that they had been eating at the Tapas restaurant each night, but were checking their children every half-hour. We finally decide to question her (Kate McCann) as a witness, but not to pose questions on the events after 5.30pm, the time at which she returned to the apartment with her three children. But this Tapas restaurant booking represented a change of plan. So, if she had died, say shortly after 6pm, as suggested by both Goncalo Amaral and Tavares de Almeida, what would the McCanns have had to do first? There are two different versions of who made the booking, which in itself is strange. However, we are persuaded, largely by evidence on the two 'Last Photo' threads on CMOMM, that the Last Photo was taken at lunchtime on Sunday 29 April. The strange booking on Sunday night of the Tapas restaurant for the evening meal of the McCanns and the Tapas 7 all week. he room forensically cleaned of any blood? . 6. Portuguese police believe Madeleine McCann died in a 'tragic accident' and that her parents hid her body. He had carefully fitted up Krokowski. Police said they wanted to speak to a thus-far unidentified second person who spoke with the German suspect from a Portuguese phone number on May 3, 2007 at the time of McCann's disappearance. The episode of the holidays in 2005, in Mallorca - which raises suspicions about a friend of the couple - and the DNA results are the first parts. Colin Sahlke died suddenly in mysterious circumstances with a significant amount of morphine in his system. The relevant facts are these. The views of the Madeleine McCann Research Group, August 2016. He kept pestering the police with plausible suggestions about lines of enquiry that they should be following. Here we rely mainly on the analyses by long-time Madeleine McCann researcher HideHo, who has examined all claimed sightings of Madeleine from Monday onwards, and found each one to be either vague, otherwise unsubstantiated or uncorroborated, or subject to contradictory evidence. KATE and Gerry McCann may be told within days how their daughter Madeleine died. A comparison was made between the Last Photo and the Make-Up Photo. That also seems unlikely. We know for certain that three photographs were taken of Madeleine playing happily in the Ocean Club playground in Praia da Luz in the late afternoon or early evening of the first day of the McCanns holiday - Saturday 28 April (this disposes of the views of some people who have claimed that Madeleine was never on that holiday). Now lets examine why we say she died on the Sunday. (iv) Where can we get a car quickly so as to hide it? Mitchell once boasted that his job was to control what comes out in the media. They even got the German police to search the plane for Madeleine at Berlin Airport. What happened then in the apartment remains a mystery. On both, Madeleine was wearing a pink hair bead. She described a man of medium height, with long black hair, wearing cloth clothes and classic shoes, who didnt look like a tourist. There is agreement from the McCanns, their friends, other holidaymakers and Ocean Club staff that they were all settled at their table at around 8.30pm to 8.45pm. At the Inquest the coroner said there was no evidence as to how he had come to take morphine, and no needle mark was found. Doctors, despite being trained not to show emotion over the circumstances of their patients, are also human beings, and in this case parents. The German man, who was not publicly named, lived in the Algarve between 1995 and 2007 and burgled hotels and holiday apartments as well as dealing drugs, German police said. It seems unlikely. Was there a meeting of some kind there that week? IE 11 is not supported. His conduct during his translations was so outrageous that an inspector sent an urgent report to Dr Amaral, complaining about his conduct. They has eaten in the Millennium Restaurant on the Saturday evening. Some of the men the McCanns employed were out-and-out crooks, like Antonio Giminez Raso from Metodo 3 and Kevin Haligen of Oakley International, both of whom spent four years in jail for crimes, respectively, of corruptly assisting a major drugs gang, and major fraud. "It is now important to present a summary of this case, based on our deductions: reject what is false, throw out what we can't show with sufficient certainty and validate that which can be proven. Aged care in-home; NDIS disability support; Respite care; Cleaning & gardening; Family support (VOOHC) Hunter region. H. Clear photographic evidence that the same pyjamas Madeleine had with her on holiday in Praia da Luz were later held up by the McCanns at two press conferences, one in London on 5 June 2007, the other in Amsterdam on 7 June . Mrs Pamela Fenn, a widow who lived above the McCanns, heard Madeleine crying between 10.30pm and 11.45pm on Tuesday night. A very strange photo of Madeleine was published two years after Madeleine was reported missing. June 30, 2020 7:03pm. Michael Shrimpton reacts to this week's overblown reports of a 'fresh' development in the Madeleine McCann case. Getty Images. British girl Madeleine McCann went missing at the age of three while on holiday with her family in Portugal in 2007. . Gerry McCann statement as Arguido 7th September . In the same interview, she was asked a 49th question: Are you aware that in not answering these questions you are jeopardising the investigation into your daughters disappearance? Kate McCann answered: Yes, if thats what the investigation thinks. Specific indications that Madeleine died on Sunday 29 April. He took the early morning flight to Faro, Portugal from Exeter at 7am the very next day, Tuesday 1 May. What was the real reason for the change of plan? In short, there is multiple evidence, beyond what weve said here, that her statement was fabricated. These bogus stories were then fed to the media. The reason given by the McCanns and their friends for making this booking is even stranger. There are however multiple problems with the authenticity of this photo. avares de Almeida and Goncalo Amaral suggested Madeleine might have had an accident, perhaps a fall, and been killed as a result of that fall - after about 6pm on Thursday 3 May. Scotland Yard began a review of the investigation, known as Operation Grange, in May 2011, and . Chloe Corner, daughter of Jon Corner; Madeleines godfather, had been a Facebook friend of Catriona Baker well before 2007. A convicted paedophile and rapist named as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann allegedly told his former lover he 'knows what happened to little Maddie'.. Christian Brueckner, 44 . Three-year-old Madeleine McCann vanished from a Portuguese holiday apartment almost 15 years ago. Again there are many instances in history where large groups of people who know about a serious crime work together to keep the crime a secret. Catriona Baker also had a holiday at the McCanns home a few months after Madeleine was reported missing, suggesting a close relationship between them.. Clear evidence that the McCanns pattern of behaviour changed after Sunday in the following ways: Taking breakfast every day after Sunday in their own apartment and not with their friends in the restaurant. Her disappearance sparked an international search, with missing posters of the little girl's face papered across the world and celebrity appeals for information that could help track her down and bring her abductors to justice. This unidentified, anonymous neighbor tells the McCanns she saw a car going up the Rocha Negra at night. But for the purposes of this paper, we shall assume that she was there at 6pm.. Later on, the evidence suggests that the McCanns and their friends dined at the Tapas restaurant. She had a pink hair bead on her. Similarly, taking lunch in their own apartment every day after Sunday and not with their friends on the Payne's balcony. Whilst this doesnt prove that Jane Tanner and Robert Murat were in Krokowskis apartment that week, it certainly raises at least the possibility that they were. (ii) Just our very good friends David and Fiona? Madeleine McCann 'sold to rich family', says former policeman. 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