''I just mind my own business. Anybody remember how Rusty looked those last few years in New York? NO WAY he was 170 pounds. April 27, 2013 Bartolo Colon etc). Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! September 29, 2007 senor ortiz pete El 14 de septiembre, Adam Wainwright y Yadier Molina rompieron el rcord en toda la historia de MLB de la mayor cantidad de aperturas con 325 como batera, superando a Mickey Lolich y Bill Freehan. Al That's pretty good this day in age. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. And Rusty Staub? Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. Peter He still knew how to pitch but had no run support to get him a winning record. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. NYB Buff Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. April 23, 2003 He had terrific stuff. Man, he was a big one. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. May 7, 2013 Dianna Jeanneh Jones Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. The second was in late August (8/29), and Lolich didn't have it that day, allowing 6 runs in 5 innings. August 7, 2018 October 13, 2008 I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. murphy Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Mickey loved his Harley. Mike B Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? August 7, 2002 You can't be serious. Jay 170 lbs.? His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. The point is he made a bad team worse. Discover Mickey Lolich's Biography, Age, Height, Physical Stats, Dating/Affairs, Family and career updates. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Ramblin' Pete Raymond Malcuit Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. Raymond Malcuit GoMets2006 Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Really? 6'1", 170???? The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Ramblin' Pete He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). John Bruce In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. Mike B But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Other than some one saying he ate donuts rather than come back to NY, does anyone know the real reason why he didn't pitch in 77? He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. I thought Rusty filled that uniform out pretty well himself! October 18, 2008 His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. And by the time he left Detroit, he was fatter than Lolich. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Ramblin' Pete mets Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Doug S. Bartolo Colon etc). February 27, 2002 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. John Bruce Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. August 7, 2018 Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. Shickhaus Franks April 27, 2013 170 lbs.? I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Shari Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. Ramblin' Pete Man, he was a big one. Rusty played another decade. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. C'mon John, the Mets did the Tigers a huge favor by taking this washed-up pitcher off their hands and giving them a great hitter like Rusty. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. When the Mets got Lolich I was happy (despite hating losing Le Grande Orange). I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. Really? February 28, 2003 Hey Mets Fan, Lolich never asked to be traded to New York. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. Mickey loved his Harley. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. September 12, 2002 Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. snook So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. My memory is that while the Mets' front office had made dumb and abysmal trades in the past, this was one that just made no sense in any way, shape, or form. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. July 15, 2016 In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. May 7, 2013 Believe me if he pitched like the ace he was in Detroit no one here would have been so quick to criticize the trade. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. Baseball burnt him out. Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. June 2, 2006 Ramblin' Pete However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? Baseball burnt him out. LA-Mets How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Mickey pitched almost 200 innings in 76, gave up less hits than innings and his era was in the low 3.00's. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. You have to remember that any ERA of 3.00 and over back in the 1970's was not a good stat. Bartolo Colon etc). So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. Jay Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. He had terrific stuff. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. All he represents for me was one of the many horrendous choices the Mets have made over the years, always going after washed up has-beens past their prime. 6'1", 170???? Mickey Lolich seemed so overweight and out of shape that he threw almost underhand. No contest. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Dianna Jeanneh Jones The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. - Now for the trade itself. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? SUMMARY Career WAR 48.0 W 217 L 191 ERA 3.44 G 586 GS 496 SV 10 IP 3638.1 SO How many did he own? He started 45 games and completed 29. But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Jim Snedeker He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. December 8, 2006 As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." - Now for the trade itself. I had never heard my mother get so angry at a Mets player. =Chuck= Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. February 28, 2003 Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. January 12, 2011 But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). Randy Tate 10/10/68: Tigers lefty Mickey Lolich picks off both Lou Brock and Curt Flood in the bottom of the 6th of a scoreless Game 7Check out http://MLB.com/video for. 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. June 30, 2019 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. senor ortiz June 30, 2019 He later came back to play for the Padres. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. March 2, 2003 The hilly farm country is closer to the Silverdome, home of the football Lions, than it is to Tiger Stadium and Lolich attended his first baseball game in three years last Friday, when the Tigers clinched the American League East. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? And yes, maybe Koosman had losing years in the late 70's but he had been a Met long enough with a winning record that the fans rooted for him. Man, he was a big one. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! 170 lbs.? I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. That would make him a star in today's market. He had a 3/4 delivery that thrived on the weight shift. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. That would make him a star in today's market. October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 27, 2013 September 24, 2005 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Dianna Jeanneh Jones mets Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. August 11, 2015 Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. That's more realistic but generous, I think! A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. "We had the Vietnam War, Woodstock, social changes all around us. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Man, he was a big one. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. Ron from Tampa John Bruce Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. NYB Buff October 19, 2011 Over a thousand player transactions -- in chronological order! May 24, 2002 October 19, 2011 I find it odd that he didn't play in 1977. feat fan Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. April 30, 2009 Rusty could hit with the lights out. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. murphy I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. support. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. September 25, 2013 Baseball burnt him out. What an interesting parallel, huh? April 20, 2002 He started 45 games and completed 29. Lolich may have gone 8-13 in 1976 but Koosman did even worse the next two years (1977 and 1978). Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? No contest. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. And Rusty Staub? I would put Rusty for Lolich in second place. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Baseball burnt him out. He started 45 games and completed 29. Mickey is originated from United States. LA-Mets Read about Andrew Feustel LOHS Class of 1983. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. An online store and history website that curates Lake Orion history and offers. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. 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